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jennzilla
June 17th, 2006, 07:46 PM
Hi all!! I just wanted to start a new discussion. So, if any of you know the answer, jump on in here. If you're like me and just know what you like, feel free to put that in here too.* Put down here what you like.*
I love a wonderfully dark broody hero, one that's got this hidden pain that you know the heroine can heal with her delightfully wicked sense of humor not to mention that thing she can do with her.. well, you know.* *;D
So, come on, you know that you have SOME opinion on this.* Tell me the difference between these two things.* I'm dying to figure this out.
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Linda L Lattimer
August 5th, 2006, 12:41 PM
Hi Jenn

I keep checking by to see if anyone has given us the difference, I really couldn't tell you, but maybe someone out there will soon have the answer

hugs linda ::)

jennzilla
August 17th, 2006, 10:07 PM
As you and I are soo sweet and innocent, we have no clue ;D

Linda L Lattimer
August 22nd, 2006, 10:33 PM
Yes, Jenn, that is correct, do you think others will think so, too?

Linda 8) :o

TamiParrington
September 1st, 2006, 10:18 AM
Hi everybody. I'm new here, and really haven't even had a chance to get a feel for the board, which is wonderful by the way. I just had to put my two cents in here though.

As an editor for Lady Aibell Press (Chippewa Publishing's erotic line) my take on the difference between erotica, and romantica is this:

Romantica is erotica with all the elements of a romance story as its core.

Sounds simple, right? You're all going 'pshaw, I could have told you that, so what's the difference between that and erotica?'

Well, think of it as the difference between romance, and say to use any example, a horror story. Horror stories certainly may have relationships in them. They may have serious love issues in them, but their main story line is the horror aspect, not the romance.

Same thing with erotica and romantica. Erotica may, and considering it's nature often does have relationship issues in it, but that isn't really the main core of the story. Something else, be it suspense, horror, whatever, is the main pulse of the story that also includes lots of sex. LOL

In romantica, the main focus of the story is the romance... with lots of sex. There may be other elements in it, as most writing now days has sub-genres attached to it, but those elements do not fuel the main plot of the story, the relationship does... so it's a romance novel, with no CLOSED DOORS.

I hope that makes sense for you in trying to figure out the shady gray areas that sometimes cloud distinctions in genres of all types of writing.

TamiParrington
September 1st, 2006, 10:22 AM
Just a little peak to see if my new sig line worked. :)

Linda L Lattimer
September 1st, 2006, 05:14 PM
Hi Tami

Thanks so much for your helpful insight. I am sure it will be of benefit to many. And thanks so much for visiting our new coffee time board. It really looks great!

Linda

TamiParrington
September 1st, 2006, 09:06 PM
You're welcome, Linda. I hope it's helpful to folks. This really is a nice board. I'll spread the word about it where I can.

Tami

Sapphire Phelan
September 4th, 2006, 10:35 AM
Since I've done both--I've done a erotica horror story, "Jack" that had been published and there was no HEA, the female character died after sex with Jack the Ripper and there was no romance involved in it.
With erotic romance stories (romantica) there's always hsome kind of HEA and there's love between the characters involved.
Sapphire Phelan

Cara North
September 4th, 2006, 06:40 PM
Romantica is actually trademarked by Jaid Black at Ellora's Cave so technically you can only get it there. LOL! But Erotic Romance, those of us writing it and not published at EC, like me, LOL!, is plain language sex. The hero and heroine explore each other on the page nothing is left to the readers imagination. There are subjects or positions, or settings that may be considered taboo by some. But the element in Erotic Romance that sets it a part from Erotica is the ROMANCE aspect. Even if it doesn't get a happily ever after, and I personally have to have one to be satisfied with my own work, even if it is a happy for now, someone has to hook up and stay together. LOL! Again that's just me.
In Erotica the stories are often shorter, still dealing with taboo at times, and the "ick factor" as my Midnight Showcase editor Laura Bacchi calls it, isn't a factor at all, gross or not its in there. Pick up "The State of Montana" by Maxim Jakubowski ISBN 1562014897, and then read almost any line of Erotic Romance put out by the Romance publishers and the difference will be clear. But be warned- you may not like the main character when it's all said and done.

Karenne
September 11th, 2006, 03:52 PM
Great answer! Very good! Thank you so much for explaining that so well!

jennzilla
October 28th, 2006, 04:39 AM
I'm just glad someone told me the difference! I know that Romantica is trademarked by Jaid at EC. I think what I meant was what is the diff between romance and erotic and then.. the pure porno.. I like HEA if I'm buying a book for that. If the book says.. EROTICA I'm fine with no HEA but if my book says Romantica or Romance, I better have a HEA or I'm gonna be a mite peeved, especially if it's like 400 pages long.

I've had some people post angrily about some books they've bought that haven't given them that and were marketed as such. If I had a book that I marketed as a romance or romantica, I'd make sure to have a HEA or a happy for now. LOL!! No angry puppies nipping at my heels. As for 'ick' factor, I don't want to read about cutting people up or killing during the act or ur.. you know the standard 'no no's' on the sites. I'm not naming them here but you know the usual submission guidelines most sites won't accept. Involving underage and such. Eh.

troubledmood
February 9th, 2007, 04:52 AM
Wow..it makes sense to me actually..and now I understand..thanks alot

Regina
February 9th, 2007, 10:46 PM
I wrote an article not too long ago on this very subject because I think there is a difference between erotic and romantica (although not everyone agrees with me LOL) I agree that it is an erotic story with the romance as it's core, there are emotions and love, not just slam, bam etc. graphic language.

If anyone is interested, here's the link to the article I wrote: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/57751/romantica_the_case_for_writing_erotic.html

Regina

troubledmood
February 10th, 2007, 12:26 AM
Very well written *brava* Nice work. I liked it..And how you explained the reasons not to write it and such

ladybecklyn
March 4th, 2007, 04:46 PM
This is an interesting thread. I know that there is a difference but I guess I never really thought about it much. I think I prefer a good story with sex rather than only sex, sex, sex. I will say that killing and sex is not something I want to read about. Too violent.

troubledmood
March 10th, 2007, 01:03 AM
This is an interesting thread. I know that there is a difference but I guess I never really thought about it much. I think I prefer a good story with sex rather than only sex, sex, sex. I will say that killing and sex is not something I want to read about. Too violent.
Well I agree with you..the whole killing then having sex right afterwards is a little creepy...THe whole story thing building up to it keeps me on the egde

Belle Scarlett
May 10th, 2008, 11:24 PM
Yup, that's right. Romantica (TM) is actually a trademarked term by Jasmine-Jaid Enterprises, home of Ellora's Cave. The term Romantica (TM) has become vernacular, like Xerox and Jeep, but like Xerox and Jeep the term is actually a brand name from a leader in a certain market. Don't worry, I got "spanked" a bit on this when I used the term generically in a blog post at EC recently, although very gently, for my pleasure :notworthy: I learned that Erotica denotes a story about pure sex, where the sexual encounter is the crux, the end-all and be-all of the story, a little like Penthouse Letters for women or ships named "Titanic" that pass in the night. Romantica (TM) offers a frank, sexual relationship couched inside of a HEA romance. Exotica, as I understand it, is HFN "happily for now." The couple in question has an open-ended relationship but one that each find emotioanlly satisfying to some extent while it lasts.

The emotional content in a Romantica (TM) needs to keep pace with the sexual fireworks going on between the hero and the heroine (even in BDSM, gay or group moments, the leads are emotionally engaged while being physically titillated to the max.)

As for me, I'm pretending you ask, I need my HEA with more than vanilla references to sex or I tune out. So I write 'em the way I like to read 'em. Hot, frank and emotionally satisfying. (Disclaimer: I speak for myself, in terms of my understanding of the subject at hand. Also, I respect that there are readers out there who enjoy HEA without the frank sexual content - to each her own, eh?)

That's my jaw-me-dead for the day! http://www.coffeetimeromance.com/board/images/icons/xsoapbox.gif

Crissy0328
May 11th, 2008, 11:56 AM
Good question! Hi all my name is Crissy and I'm new, about a week. Love what I've seen so far.
Well I guess since I perfer the paranormal aspects in the story I'm not into the story just for the romance.
And I perfer it HOT! LOL.
It's probaly been a long time I've read just a romance story in a HEA.
Funny, didn't realize that.

hollie
May 11th, 2008, 05:26 PM
hi Crissy welcome to coffee time i like paranormal books as well but i still love a good romance

sandrafowke
October 7th, 2008, 06:01 PM
*Laughing* I was having a "discussion" about this topic with my husband last night. He thinks that there is no difference - If there is high level sex then it's porn *FULL STOP* Arrrg! :gun_bandana:
In the end I actually had to sit him down and read out three different pieces that I'd written over the years one porn, one erotica and one romantica lol. These things are sometimes hard to expalin in words, even though we are writers - I think it comes with how they make us feel, in romantica there is just more story, more character for us to relate and emote with.

Oh and hi *waves* Sorry I don't get in more - Internet cafe'ing it right now.

Samantha Lucas
October 8th, 2008, 10:02 AM
One other difference I think people tend to look over is that in erotica, the sole purpose is to arouse the reader. It's not about relationships and there is no required happily ever after.

Erotica (from the Greek Eros - "desire") refers to works of art, including literature, photography, film, sculpture and painting, that deal substantively with erotically stimulating or arousing descriptions

Where as with erotic romances, in my opinion, the goal is to tell a story about people falling in love, but you get to cross the line traditional romances won't allow. You can be more explicit, naughty, even kinky, but the goal is still to tell a love story and there absolutely has to be a happy ending.

My two cents for what they're worth. ;)

Catherine Bybee
October 8th, 2008, 02:50 PM
Okay, I'm now officialy confused. According to the vibe of the postings on this thread Erotica is more of a story where sex is the theme, right? If that is true than you are taking 'erotic' romance out of this catagory, right?
According to the vibe here, Erotic and Romantica would be the same idea... Romance where the sex is hot and nothing is left to the imagination, ie language and graphic detail.

Am I on the mark with my observations or am I in left field? Or perhaps I need to read more books... grin

ellen
October 9th, 2008, 02:19 PM
I think what you're trying to get at is the difference between erotica and erotic romance?

Erotica doesn't need a romance. Sometimes it barely needs a story, just a whole lot of sex scenes all strung together.
Erotic ROMANCE, on the other hand, is a love story. Contains a plot, characters and everything you'd expect in a romance. Except the love scenes (notice I call them love scenes and not sex scenes) are hot, graphic and detailed.

Make sense?

Ellen

Catherine Bybee
October 9th, 2008, 02:44 PM
I think what you're trying to get at is the difference between erotica and erotic romance?

Erotica doesn't need a romance. Sometimes it barely needs a story, just a whole lot of sex scenes all strung together.
Erotic ROMANCE, on the other hand, is a love story. Contains a plot, characters and everything you'd expect in a romance. Except the love scenes (notice I call them love scenes and not sex scenes) are hot, graphic and detailed.

Make sense?

Ellen

I guess I've never read a story under the catagory of erotica. Every 'hot' romance I've read has a plot.
Thank you for educating me. grin