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BCGrown
March 23rd, 2006, 09:34 PM
I once wrote a book that is so sexually explicit and so dark that it will never be published. Anyone that has read The Bond would be totally shocked to read this from me.

The main problem is that there is one case of a violent rape murder of a young girl; one homosexual rape of a seventeen year old and one under eighteen consentual sexual act. So publishers wouldn't touch it. At least none that I have found. I was in a very dark mood when I wrote it! LOL

Oh well. Maybe someday I will find someone that will publish it under a different name. Until then I will continue with paranormal romantic thrillers.

Karen Magill/BCGrown

mizging
March 23rd, 2006, 11:05 PM
I wrote my an erotica. It was my debut/swan song wrapped into one. In my book, Life is a Bowl of Toilets and I Feel Flush, I devoted a chapter describing why.

Based on my limited sexual experiences, I thought it was pretty good so I submitted it to the "hot" publisher at that time. I got a rejection and was stunned at the reason.
My heroine had an affair! Egads....that might be offensive to the reading audience. I guess having sex in every bodily opening, being tied up and gagged with a sock or screwing something from another universe isn't offensive. Besides, who could relate to having or wanting to have an affair. I'm apalled at what I was thinking when I wrote that book, Searcher's by Pepper St. Claire. P.S. Torrid Romance at Creek Publishing wasn't offended at all when they released it. *lol*

Hugz
Ginger

jennzilla
March 23rd, 2006, 11:45 PM
I have one or two *blushes* But, really, I am a good girl. I don't write it, or read it either. *snickers* Honey, I love it!
I think, maybe sometimes, readers like to be taken outside their own normal experiences with books. Reading about a were and a hot chick does it for me. I love a good alpha dude, and if he gets a bit ansty once a month, hey, that just means we have a LOT in common. PMS aint got jack on the sprouting hair in odd places. Wait, is that were's or menopause? *shrugs* Oh well, either or. 8)

Char
March 25th, 2006, 02:13 PM
I think you can write good Erotica and not have to go over the bounderies you are uncomfortable with. For example... I won't write about cheating, nor will I read about it. That's one of my hot buttons.

But I can and will read and write hot sexy erotica between two committed people. It's all in how you perceive it.

Each to his own. I think the publishing world is beginning to understand that.

Char

Linda L Lattimer
March 25th, 2006, 08:21 PM
I have read some books of late where I wondered how did this ever get published...so yours just might have a chance Karen...this one was really like one I had never read.

Linda ??? ;)

jennzilla
March 26th, 2006, 07:47 PM
I like smut, make no mistake. But I like well written smut.. not that stuff that makes me go what is this person thinking? I am all about using the imagination and all, but sometimes, the scenerios they create are just too outlandish for me to enjoy the story. And the dialogue too eek! :( I like good snarky dialogue or down and dirty talk but, done well.

Some is just blah, some make me go... ooh brb goin to ambush the hubby then coming back to read the rest. Those are good erotic romances in my book. The ones where you go and do the ninja nookie on the unsuspecting hubby while he's in the shower. :o He makes this face, but I know he likes it. ;)

Karagrif
April 8th, 2006, 09:05 PM
Okay, so am I the only one who likes dark horrifying stories? lol. You never know, Karen you just might get it pubbed.

I have a book out that deals with incest - well it comes very close to incest. Very dark, which was a complete switch for me. Usually I'm all sensual and sweet. But that book kind of went off in a whole different direction.

I was wondering if readers were going to ask whether it was from personal experience or not. NO! hehe.

Hope you're well,
Kara :D

jennzilla
April 9th, 2006, 06:18 PM
I like Gothic Erotica. I have a couple I am working on right now involving phooka, fairy, and all the bad bad things they can think of doing. 8) I LOVE it! But, it is totally different than what I have coming out now. Do you fear alienating your readers if you do different genres?

Linda L Lattimer
July 29th, 2006, 06:01 PM
Hi Jenn, how is your gothic erotica coming along? Are you still busy working on them?
:o

jennzilla
August 17th, 2006, 10:23 PM
Hi Jenn, how is your gothic erotica coming along? Are you still busy working on them?
:o

I have them. I don't know they're there pouting because I'm too busy on other things to work on them. ??? They all look like this. Poor little dears. (hugs them close) Ow! One bit me! Someone needs a spanking. ;)

Linda L Lattimer
August 22nd, 2006, 10:28 PM
Oh, Jenn, that was cute, you brought a smile to my face...they will get a home soon, I am certain that you will finish them and they will fly high like your other works

Linda ;D

Regina
October 22nd, 2006, 03:18 PM
Jennzilla! You're killing me here! I laughed so hard when I read this, but you are absolutely right. LOL I've read some books where I've thought "what the heck was this author thinking??" Like the one who had all these great hot scenes and then killed off both heroes, and the end of the book was where the heroine gets banished from her planet. So, like what is up with that??? I would never kill off main characters, that's like a major no no in my book. The author had good love scenes, but then cuts off the nose despite the face. Weird.

IM Cupnjava
October 25th, 2006, 08:28 AM
I once wrote a book that is so sexually explicit and so dark that it will never be published. Anyone that has read The Bond would be totally shocked to read this from me.

Karen Magill/BCGrown

You're not alone. I have one where the hero rapes and kills a priest. I'm not holding my breath waiting for a market. LOL

jennzilla
October 28th, 2006, 03:14 AM
Yeah, but what about genre hopping. Do you think authors should do it? I have such a weird imagination. I love all sorts of books from horror, mystery, romance, scifi, on down, so I have all these stories in my head that are yammering to get out. I don't want to alienate people that expect me to write a certain way though. Jenna Leigh wrote THAT? What the crap was she smokin? :eek:

IM Cupnjava
October 28th, 2006, 07:31 AM
Yeah, but what about genre hopping. Do you think authors should do it? I have such a weird imagination. I love all sorts of books from horror, mystery, romance, scifi, on down, so I have all these stories in my head that are yammering to get out. I don't want to alienate people that expect me to write a certain way though. Jenna Leigh wrote THAT? What the crap was she smokin? :eek:

I've heard this from other authors and here's the way I see it. Books are listed by genre, there's usually some kind of blurb and excerpt. The reader should have a general idea of what they are getting before they buy it. Thus, if you have a horror fanbase and write a HEA they should realize it before they plunk down money.

Therefore -- write what you want to write. If you branch out into another genre you might pick up some new readers.

Regina
January 19th, 2007, 06:07 PM
That just goes to show you, the affair probably wasn't the real reason, they just had to come up with something, and that was the only thing they could think of. LOL That's great that you found a publisher for it anyway!

jennzilla
January 20th, 2007, 12:08 AM
I've heard this from other authors and here's the way I see it. Books are listed by genre, there's usually some kind of blurb and excerpt. The reader should have a general idea of what they are getting before they buy it. Thus, if you have a horror fanbase and write a HEA they should realize it before they plunk down money.

Therefore -- write what you want to write. If you branch out into another genre you might pick up some new readers.

I hope so, because I have recently submitted my contracted book to Midnight Showcase and it's nothing like what I've done before. It's scifi-erotica and well.. It's a lot more graphic than my other stories and in no way humorous but I love the characters, and they love each other.. and no Regina, they don't kill each other LOL.

Karenne
January 21st, 2007, 10:34 PM
Congratulations Jenn! You are a writing fool! So you will let us know when the book comes out or is accepted. Right???:unsure:

jennzilla
January 21st, 2007, 11:16 PM
It is supposed to be released in March. I shall scream it from the top of the Coffee House, of course. :turned:

troubledmood
February 9th, 2007, 04:47 AM
Well you can't tell us all that and not share it with us...It kinda sounds interesting...

jennzilla
March 5th, 2007, 11:17 PM
Well, it's called The Moon of Tigre and it's a scifi erotica short story in the Alien Seduction digest at Midnight Showcase. And no it's not funny. This is a departure for me, who as most know here, as the one who writes romantic comedy or at least hot romantic comedy.

I just finished my edits on it today, in fact, and I can share the blurb, so here it goes.

The Tigre are a race of accursed people from the planet of Maurania. Some say they are immortal, others say they are demons. None know when they came into being. However, they have spread throughout the known galaxy. Some quest for their mates, the descendants of the planet that escaped the curse, others simply survive, torn between their human and animal halves.

Tael has searched for many years to find the one true love who will set him free of the blood curse of the Tigre Moon. Is Neri the one?

Coming very soon from Midnight Showcase. *squeaks*

Megan Rose
March 19th, 2007, 06:08 AM
I do know of an author who has rape in the story line of her book. She has published the work over at LuLu. I'm not too sure on the regulations over there, but you could always investigate.

Angela Caperton
June 3rd, 2007, 02:21 PM
I think situations like rape, incest, and graphic sexually themed murder are possible in fiction, but (and it's a BIG but!) they have to be handled with care and they cannot be gratuitous - they must advance character and plot and they should fall within a genre that is not ardently opposed to such themes. And if you're writing about some serial killer for instance, exposing his depravity once is probably enough to let your reader know he's one sick puppy. After that, graphic descriptions could be construed as gratuitous.

I like to write all types of stories, but I lean toward fantasy erotica, and in fantasies the common theory is "anything goes", but I believe that there are still subjects that must be treated with care and that is not always easy. I like to push boundaries and I try very hard to not be judgmental in my themes. I think a story should be about growth, and growth doesn't usually happen in a pristine, perfect world.

How, as writers, we expose the dirt, well, that is what makes each of us a unique voice.

ViolaGrace
June 3rd, 2007, 06:51 PM
Hmm. this thread hits close to home. Recently, I had a book released by my new pub (Mojo Castle), and it has a scene that I needed to put in to change the heroine. Specifically a sexual assault.
I went through every length I could to depict it as a physical assault with no smutty overtones, but one reader still had a major issue with it.
Apparently, it was now a rape book. Something I had never intended.
The publisher clearly marked it as the DUNGEON, which guaranteed pain, violence and no happy ending.
Guardian Enjel was light, dark and everything in between, and I don't think I can ever write anything to match it.
I love it but hate it...weird huh?

Angela Caperton
June 3rd, 2007, 08:27 PM
Guardian Enjel was light, dark and everything in between, and I don't think I can ever write anything to match it.
I love it but hate it...weird huh?

Not weird at all! I have a scene in a pure fantasy story I wrote that is similar to what you described, and I have to say it was probably the hardest scene I have every written. I kept putting off writing it (my toilets have never been so clean! :p) and when I sat down and finally wrote it, I literally cried my way through, but when it was finished, I honestly think its some of the best writing I've done to date. I can't think of a time I ever spent some much energy and angst on word choice in my life. I just about wore the corners off the pages of my thesaurus and dictionary trying to find just the right tone.

Could I do it again? Yes, I could, and I know I will work just as hard to make sure I write what's needed and it is done in a way that I can own it without remorse or regret.

That is a shame about the reader that objected, but with such an emotionally charged subject, I suppose it's not outside the realm of possibilities. I suspect that we all tackle difficult subjects - and not necessarily the big baddies prominently mentioned in this thread - and no matter how tactfully or compassionately we engage these issues, we are more then likely going to trigger someone's emotions in a way that may not seem rational to us, but is wholly honest to the offended.

That is a facet of what we do.

Lainey
June 4th, 2007, 02:15 AM
ALRIGHT as a reviewer I have noticed publishers are not puttng subgenres on the things that have excessive sexual or physical violence in them so that the reader or reviewer might get something they actually want to read and are not mistaken and get upset ... with erotica that is happening more and more some publishers do not have erotica in their genres they call them something else but say some might call it erotica and don't list that excessive violence or bdsm or whatever is definitely involved including rape or near enough to rape.

So we almost need a new genre or sub genre listing for this stuff since people write and read it we want it to go to the right people like you said earlier people complain that it is now a rape book. That might not have happened had the publisher had warnings on it or another genre or subgenre on there. Maybe we really need to go that extra mile and petition whoever to get the dark stuff and more physically violent a darker genre listing so no one gets upset and writers can write what they feel at the time. Anyway that is my opinion. Something easy add more genres and sub genres for the dark or violent books not sure what they can be called but if all publishers have some sort of 'darker" genre listing maybe that will help, who knows. And make sure the publishers list them as they really are not mislead the public the readers are there but let them know what it is so no complaints is all better to be warned and still buy then it is like a waiver haha... you read it so no complaints on buying it.

Lainey

jadxiadax
June 13th, 2007, 06:32 PM
Any of you who wants to come out with new genres, give it to us. I am getting so tired of cookie cutter romances. When I can start predicting what is going to happen next, then why should I waste the money for the book? Fairies, gnomes, vampires: why not? You know at the end of a typical romance novel, I can imagine five years down the line as the characters are sitting at a conference table with their divorce lawyers. There needs to be a little more unique stories out there on the market. When I write for my friends, I have noticed that they tend to gravitate towards the ones that seem a little less real. I think it may be an indicator of the culture at the moment. There is enough "reality" out there already, maybe some "adult" fairy tales are the ones we need. Ohh, and on a personal note, anyone know of a book with spanking in it? I have a girlfriend who has a birthday and that is kind of her kink, so to speak.

Jax

DLayers
June 28th, 2007, 01:20 AM
“ALRIGHT as a reviewer I have noticed publishers are not puttng subgenres on the things that have excessive sexual or physical violence in them so that the reader or reviewer might get something they actually want to read and are not mistaken and get upset ... with erotica that is happening more and more some publishers do not have erotica in their genres they call them something else but say some might call it erotica and don't list that excessive violence or bdsm or whatever is definitely involved including rape or near enough to rape.

So we almost need a new genre or sub genre listing for this stuff since people write and read it we want it to go to the right people like you said earlier people complain that it is now a rape book. That might not have happened had the publisher had warnings on it or another genre or subgenre on there. Maybe we really need to go that extra mile and petition whoever to get the dark stuff and more physically violent a darker genre listing so no one gets upset and writers can write what they feel at the time. Anyway that is my opinion. Something easy add more genres and sub genres for the dark or violent books not sure what they can be called but if all publishers have some sort of 'darker" genre listing maybe that will help, who knows. And make sure the publishers list them as they really are not mislead the public the readers are there but let them know what it is so no complaints is all better to be warned and still buy then it is like a waiver haha... you read it so no complaints on buying it.
<O:p</O:p

Lainey”
<O:p</O:p

Lainey, this may be a situation with my works. It is selling, but on some sites, reader ratings are high on the bad side. On those sites there is no comment area so I have no idea why they’ve rated it as such. I’ve been told, “you don’t write like most writers”. That came from a friend in CA that read my work after publication, and that’s all he said about it. My publisher has it posted as Erotic, Science Fiction, and Futuristic. When I send out posts about this work, I warn that it is Explicit XXX and extreme, meaning I do not use purple prose and includes underground situations and the work is not for everyone. In ED I have some BDSM, multiple partners, death, terrorism and other situations, such as a one afternoon stand, J that results in progeny.

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“Any of you who wants to come out with new genres, give it to us. I am getting so tired of cookie cutter romances. When I can start predicting what is going to happen next, then why should I waste the money for the book? Fairies, gnomes, vampires: why not? You know at the end of a typical romance novel, I can imagine five years down the line as the characters are sitting at a conference table with their divorce lawyers. There needs to be a little more unique stories out there on the market. When I write for my friends, I have noticed that they tend to gravitate towards the ones that seem a little less real. I think it may be an indicator of the culture at the moment. There is enough "reality" out there already, maybe some "adult" fairy tales are the ones we need. Ohh, and on a personal note, anyone know of a book with spanking in it? I have a girlfriend who has a birthday and that is kind of her kink, so to speak.

Jax”

I don’t write cookie cutter romance, my work is not romance. I’m not sure how to class it. Maybe an EXPLICIT Genre, and post that the works in that genre are explicit and extreme in content, not mainstream romance, contains extreme situations, hard core. Maybe as Underground Arts, with the above description.

DL

catherine chernow
January 11th, 2008, 07:13 PM
I introduced myself in a separate thread...hope you all had a chance to read it.

Looking forward to chatting with all of you!

: )

Catherine Chernow
www.CatherineChernow.com (http://www.CatherineChernow.com)

catherine chernow
January 11th, 2008, 07:26 PM
I've got a WIP that features a heroine who's an escort. It's going to be a tough sell, I think, because it is a romance. But I'm keeping my fingers crossed. The love scenes are the hottest writing I've done to date - very erotic.

Sizzle!

: )

Catherine Chernow
www.CatherineChernow.com (http://www.CatherineChernow.com)

DianaGroe4EmilyBryan
January 11th, 2008, 08:16 PM
Hello Everybody! DISTRACTING THE DUCHESS (available Feb 28th) is the story of Artemisia, an artistic duchess, who mistakes Her Majesty's spy for her next nude model. After posing for her for several days, Trevelyn convinces her if she wants to know how her models feel she should allow him to draw her as well . . .

“Perfect,” he said with reverence.

Even though she knew he didn’t mean anything by it, Artemisia was inordinately pleased by his choice of the word. Perfect. She’d been called lewd and feckless and outrageous by people who didn’t understand her dedication to her art. No one had ever called her perfect. Her insides did a jig.

She turned her head to look over her shoulder at him.

“Yes, that’s it! Don’t move,” he said with excitement. His dark head bent over the sketchbook and the chalk scritched over the page. “You’re beautiful, Larla.”

Artemisia’s breath caught in her throat. She didn’t even mind his casual use of her milk name. It felt right. He found her beautiful.

She relaxed into his unabashed approval, enjoying the warmth radiating from her belly each time he looked up at her. The admiration in his gaze set her skin dancing as he followed the curve of her spine from her nape downward. When he focused on her bottom, she imagined the pale mounds must be pinking under his regard. Her nipples were drawn so tight, if she hadn’t been ordered to stand still she might have pressed her own palms against them to ease the ache.

So this is what it feels like, to be admired, to be accepted, to be beautiful and perfect in someone else’s eyes. To be a work of art.

Artemisia’s spirit soared. As she bared her body, she exposed her soul as well. She closed her eyes for a moment and felt herself fly free.

Suddenly she realized this was no longer about art. Perhaps it had never been about art. She wished she’d been brave enough to drop her robe for him head on. She wanted him to see her—all of her—to have his dark gaze search out all her secrets and pronounce them perfect and beautiful.

And not just his gaze. She wanted his touch. She could almost feel his hand, the way he’d slid it from her cheek when he kissed her, down her neck to the tops of her breasts. When his square capable fingers brushed her nipples, she thought she’d burst out of her skin. What if that hand continued trekking south, over her belly and into the patch of dark curls? Would he find her fair?

And his kiss. Her lips tingled to feel his mouth on them again. What if his lips wandered to other places?
She felt a growing moistness between her legs and scented a whiff of her own arousal, musky and sweet at the same time. Surely he must smell it as well. She gathered her courage and cleared her throat.

“When we are finished with the painting, I have another position in mind for you,” she said, surprised at the raggedness of her own voice. She opened her eyes and met his direct gaze.

“Really? What might that be? Something for Mr. Beddington perhaps?”

Bother his fixation with Beddington!<o>:p></o>:p>

“No, this is something for me,” she said evenly.

“What do you need, Your Grace?”

She took a deep breath and jumped into the void. “I find I require a lover.”



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CathieCaffey
January 11th, 2008, 08:58 PM
Hi Karenne and everyone! I'm just getting back recently from being away (health) so I'm catching up on lots of reading and stuff (Hi Lyn! Diane/Emily, Catherine, Viola!, Laniey and so many more here! I got my anniversary award :) Love the icons here. I'm so ready to chat erotic romance books!

catherine chernow
January 11th, 2008, 09:08 PM
Hi Cathie! Hope you're feeling better. I'm excited to be chatting here at CTR about erotic romance books, too. (and it's nice to see you here, btw).

I've got a question for everyone: I feel there's a definite difference between erotic romance books and erotica. Some people confuse the two genres. How does everyone feel about this?

: )

Catherine Chernow
www.CatherineChernow.com (http://www.CatherineChernow.com)

Karenne
January 11th, 2008, 09:13 PM
Well I hope you are doing better Cathie!

I have missed you! :wub:

Dee Dawning
January 11th, 2008, 10:24 PM
Can I play too?:gun_bandana:

Dee

Keiko.alvarez
January 15th, 2008, 09:52 PM
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Keiko.alvarez
January 15th, 2008, 09:56 PM
Mine was about under 18 sex. No one will touch it for a year, but now at least on publisher is thinking about it. The annoying part is that the reaction is like kids under 18 don't have sex.

Mountie
February 18th, 2008, 11:39 PM
I read any kind of erotica. It is the story premise that draws me in. It is the writing that keeps me reading. As long as it is well written, that is what matters to me.

Would I feak if a situation came up that I wasn't "warned" about? Hell no! If it fits the story and the characters, then it belongs in the book. If it gratuatious, then it is bad writing and that is what bothers me.

And I agree with the poster that said readers nowaday have enough RL going on in RL and are looking for escape from this world.

Please take me away. Stop the world, I want to get off.